El título era el contenido del subject del mensaje de renuncia(1) de Alan Cox a la conferecia ALS de USENIX en Estados Unidos por la detención del hacker ruso Dimitry Sklyarov. Jon ‘maddog’ Hall le contesta(2) “molesto” por el anuncio de la renuncia.
Actualización: Respuesta de Jon “Maddog” al final del artículo. Muy simpática, sobre todo eso de enseñar la forma correcta de pintar coches en Singapur (hay que leer el mensaje para entenderlo). Al final de todo, en colorines, mi segunda respuesta.
Creo que Alan tiene toda la razón y estuvo muy bien que haya renunciado. Que la administración norteamericana se dé cuenta que ese tipo de persecuciones, basadas en una ley basura, puede inclusive dañar el prestigio no sólo de su justicia, sino de las propias conferencias científicas-técnicas realizadas en ese pais. Y además lograr unir(3) a toda la comunidad hacker.
Y me parece que Maddog está equivocado en criticar a Alan Cox, y además defendiendo la actitud democrática de Estados Unidos por su apoyo a la caída del Muro de Berlín… así demostrando que la administración norteamericana en realidad estima mucho a los rusos. Je. Preguntemos lo que piensa Gorbachov… (que veranea por aquí cerca).
Yo no me aguanté cuando leí la respuesta y envié el siguiente mensaje (rant = pomposo).
first of all, sorry by the intromision. But some issues mentioned
in Alan’s and your messages are quite sensitive for me. I
understand very well Alan’s rejection.
Although it could be unfair to you, rejecting to go to ALS isn’t against
USENIX, but it was really a good opportunity to show publically (as is
being made) that US laws are, at best, contradictory.
>From my point of view, Alan, who doesn’t express his political attitude
very often, has achieved what is necessary: to show that the threaten of
DCMA, US administration (especially the current one) and huge “good”
american corporations going after foreigner hackers can hurt even to
important events as USENIX’s.
OTH, your word defending your goverment because their “pressure to lower
the Berlin wall” is actually unfair. What happened after US administration
supported Yeltsin’s “coup” against Gorbachov? Did they get more
freedom and health? Don’t think so. Neither with Thalibans (which were
against Russian), or Irak, which was supported by US and later attacked
when they infringed US economic interests Kuwait (which is known by “Gulf
War” to hide that in reallity was a war againt human beings, not against
“something unanimated”). Administrations don’t defend freedom in far and
foreign countries. They defend their own interests.
What would happen if instead of the Russian hacker were an American that get
jailed in Russia or even in a western european country because he/she
violated local laws? Would you go to a conference in that country?
I doubt it. But perhaps you will exploit such possibility to show
publically your position, which surely can help a lot.
The same is happening, your administration is _really_ threatening
foreigner hackers. Don’t deny the evidence.
So, don’t drink the venome. It’s not served for you, neither for USENIX, I
Sorry by the rant.
Dr. Ricardo Galli
Respuesta de Jon Maddog Hall
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:39:22 -0400
From: “Jon ‘maddog’ Hall, Executive Director, Linux International”
To: Ricardo Galli
Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Your very public message
I can see that some clarification is needed, for yours was the second message
along these lines sent to me.
First of all, I encourage you to read my message to Alan again, and carefully.
I did not condemn him for resigning from the ALS board, nor for boycotting
the event. I said that in my first sentence.
Secondly, Alan could have made just as strong a statement by saying simply
that he was “not going to any more conferences in the United States”.
Instead, he used his position on the ALS program team to make a bandstand play,
a play that hurt an organization that has actively taken a part in defending
against such atrocities in the past, and will probably continue to do so
in the future. An organization that has stood from its inception for the
antithesis of what the DMCA stands.
> What would happen if instead of the Russian hacker were an American
> that get jailed in Russia or even in a western European country
> because he/she violated local laws? Would you go to a conference in
> that country?
It depends on what laws that American broke. I went to Singapore after the
American was caned for spray painting cars. I actually wanted him to receive
more caning than what he finally received. I make it a habit not to spray paint
cars in Singapore, so I travel in Singapore relatively worry-free.
I do not agree with the DMCA law. I would like to have it repealed. But it
is a law, and the Russian broke it, then wanted to come to the US and talk
> What happened after US administration supported Yeltsin’s “coup”
> against Gorbachov? Did they get more freedom and health?
It swings back and forth. Some people would like the old government back,
because they feel they were better off. Others say that they like it better
the new way, despite the issues you mention. Odd though, the biggest issue
is that they now have a choice.
> Administrations don’t defend freedom in far and foreign countries.
> They defend their own interests.
Please tell that to the dead in Flanders Fields.
And while we are blaming the US for all of Eastern Europe’s problems, I suppose
no European or Asian country has ever invaded any of their neighbors in the last
seventy years or so?
In short, I did not disagree with the stance that Alan took. I said that in
my first sentence. But to bring in all that FUD about the US government
“hating” eastern block countries, and this is why Adobe chose this Russian to
pick on, cut me a break. They chose him because he ADVERTISED that he was
breaking the law by coming to the conference and speaking on the topic.
Next time I am in Singapore at a conference, perhaps I will speak on the proper
way to spray paint cars and see what happens. Or maybe I will just sit
quietly in the audience and enjoy the event. I bet if I do the latter instead
of the former, I will go home a happy camper.
> So, don’t drink the venom. It’s not served for you, neither for
> USENIX, I think.
USENIX and ALS did not have a chance to drink the venom or not. It was
injected into them from afar. Whether or not the snake meant to bite, the
strike was sudden and unexpected.
Jon “maddog” Hall
Executive Director Linux(R) International
email: [email protected] 80 Amherst St.
Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A.
Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association
(R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries.
Respuesta a Jon Maddog Hall
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Jon ‘maddog’ Hall, Executive Director, Linux International
> It depends on what laws that American broke. I went to Singapore after the
> American was caned for spray painting cars. I actually wanted him to
> more caning than what he finally received. I make it a habit not to spray
> cars in Singapore, so I travel in Singapore relatively worry-free.
A different case. It would be similar if the guy is
canned by telling in
Singapore how he spayed car _in_ US, being car spraying legal in US.
> Please tell that to the dead in Flanders Fields.
Last century made it unrepeatable. For good and bad.
> And while we are blaming the US for all of Eastern Europe’s problems, I
Please, just read it in the context of:
I seem to remember much pressure from the US to
lower the Berlin wall
> no European or Asian country has ever invaded any of their neighbors in
> seventy years or so?
Few. And the were also criticized, and canned. I don’t
mean US never
defended freedom in foreign countries, but this is not the current
And Spanish goverment is even worse, much worse. But
they didn’t jail
(yet) a foreign hacker for violating a Spanish law in a foreign country to
protect a giant company interests.
> Next time I am in Singapore at a conference, perhaps I will speak on the
> way to spray paint cars and see what happens. Or maybe I will just sit
Could be very interesting to see how your goverment
react to the fact that
an american is canned by _telling_ people how to paint a car 😉
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